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		<title>By: Gary Reaves</title>
		<link>http://blog.laptopmag.com/why-nobody-cares-about-linux/comment-page-1#comment-17453</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Reaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux will never, ever be THE OS on every consumer&#039;s desktop.  End of story.  Have the average computer user sit down at a fresh install of Ubuntu Linux and tell them they need to update the system.  They wouldn&#039;t know where to start.  People don&#039;t have time for that kind of thing.  They are busy living their lives.  Linux requires that computers BECOME your life.  If you don&#039;t spend hours a day studying the hellish complexities of Linux, you will never be able to truly understand it.  Or even do basic things with it, for that matter.  Hardcore Linux users are stuck in a legacy state of mind.  Bazza was spot on when he suggested that Microsoft should scrap their OS and start again with a UNIX core.  People want functionality and ease of use.  Anything else is unacceptable.  Period.  Stability should be a given.  So should security.  A &#039;new&#039; OS with those concepts in mind, built on a UNIX core is the way to go, in my humble opinion.  How would you like to own a toaster that requires you to design a timing circuit switch every time you want a piece of toast?  Try marketing that to consumers.  That&#039;s basically what Linux Distros are all about, and that is why they will never, ever make it to the big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux will never, ever be THE OS on every consumer&#8217;s desktop.  End of story.  Have the average computer user sit down at a fresh install of Ubuntu Linux and tell them they need to update the system.  They wouldn&#8217;t know where to start.  People don&#8217;t have time for that kind of thing.  They are busy living their lives.  Linux requires that computers BECOME your life.  If you don&#8217;t spend hours a day studying the hellish complexities of Linux, you will never be able to truly understand it.  Or even do basic things with it, for that matter.  Hardcore Linux users are stuck in a legacy state of mind.  Bazza was spot on when he suggested that Microsoft should scrap their OS and start again with a UNIX core.  People want functionality and ease of use.  Anything else is unacceptable.  Period.  Stability should be a given.  So should security.  A &#8216;new&#8217; OS with those concepts in mind, built on a UNIX core is the way to go, in my humble opinion.  How would you like to own a toaster that requires you to design a timing circuit switch every time you want a piece of toast?  Try marketing that to consumers.  That&#8217;s basically what Linux Distros are all about, and that is why they will never, ever make it to the big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Benfrank</title>
		<link>http://blog.laptopmag.com/why-nobody-cares-about-linux/comment-page-1#comment-17111</link>
		<dc:creator>Benfrank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; it’s still too geek-focused and unfriendly for mainstream use. &quot;
&quot;The best chance Linux has to succeed? Hide it. &quot;

Do you even read your own words? How will hiding Linux make it friendlier?
Dumb post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; it’s still too geek-focused and unfriendly for mainstream use. &#8221;<br />
&#8220;The best chance Linux has to succeed? Hide it. &#8221;</p>
<p>Do you even read your own words? How will hiding Linux make it friendlier?<br />
Dumb post.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazza</title>
		<link>http://blog.laptopmag.com/why-nobody-cares-about-linux/comment-page-1#comment-17064</link>
		<dc:creator>Bazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Linux users are almost as touchy about their OS as are MacOS users...

;-)


Linux is still largely an OS built by / for computer hobbyists, as the author notes, and has no place as a default installation on a consumer netbook. It&#039;s GUI might familiar or made to look pretty, but the moment the user wishes to deviate from the pre-installed products, it can prove more difficult than any average computer user has a right to expect in 2009. While some of this might be considered the fault of peripheral manufacturers who don&#039;t have Linux drivers, the rest falls to the actual OS and those who designed it - for themselves. 
The method of acquiring and installing patches, upgrades and new software (or uninstalling same) is often dodgy at best, while no average consumer should ever, ever expect to need to go into a Terminal to do general maintenance, properly complete an install / uninstall or worse, actually physically tweak the OS for it to work as expected. While all of this sort of thing is the stuff that computer hobbyists, IT specialists and geeks get moist over, its not a consumer OS.

That said, Microsoft, after the technical and media debacle of Vista, should have learned its lesson: bite the bullet and do &#039;An Apple&#039;. That is, scrap entirely their legacy OS - so bloated with lines of patch code after decades of programmers have had their go - and start afresh based on a stable core OS. Apple did that with OSX (using UNIX) and so should Microsoft. There&#039;s plenty of excellent virtualization software out there (including MS&#039;s own) to handle the legacy programs if absolutely required, so that can&#039;t be the argument.. 

And, for all the gushing about Win7, it is still, as confirmed by Microsoft, a patched and re-worked Vista - which is a patched and reworked Windows 2000, which is a ...well, you get the idea. Win7 is the SP Vista will never get. But you can&#039;t - as they&#039;ve shown time and time again - make a silk purse out of a sow&#039;s ear. Especially if its Frankenpatch OS.

Win7&#039;s GUI might look pretty, but its the same grim WinOS under all that.  XP is currently popular on netbooks because a) it&#039;s an OS many are familiar with - including its many &#039;challenges&#039;, and b) its had some 8 years for Microsoft to issue enough patches to make it stable (&#039;ish). But those are hardly good reasons to find it acceptable. Remember, XP was once roundly reviled - now its a retro improvement over Vista.

But that still doesn&#039;t Linux the better alternative for most computer users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Linux users are almost as touchy about their OS as are MacOS users&#8230;</p>
<p> <img src='http://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Linux is still largely an OS built by / for computer hobbyists, as the author notes, and has no place as a default installation on a consumer netbook. It&#8217;s GUI might familiar or made to look pretty, but the moment the user wishes to deviate from the pre-installed products, it can prove more difficult than any average computer user has a right to expect in 2009. While some of this might be considered the fault of peripheral manufacturers who don&#8217;t have Linux drivers, the rest falls to the actual OS and those who designed it &#8211; for themselves.<br />
The method of acquiring and installing patches, upgrades and new software (or uninstalling same) is often dodgy at best, while no average consumer should ever, ever expect to need to go into a Terminal to do general maintenance, properly complete an install / uninstall or worse, actually physically tweak the OS for it to work as expected. While all of this sort of thing is the stuff that computer hobbyists, IT specialists and geeks get moist over, its not a consumer OS.</p>
<p>That said, Microsoft, after the technical and media debacle of Vista, should have learned its lesson: bite the bullet and do &#8216;An Apple&#8217;. That is, scrap entirely their legacy OS &#8211; so bloated with lines of patch code after decades of programmers have had their go &#8211; and start afresh based on a stable core OS. Apple did that with OSX (using UNIX) and so should Microsoft. There&#8217;s plenty of excellent virtualization software out there (including MS&#8217;s own) to handle the legacy programs if absolutely required, so that can&#8217;t be the argument.. </p>
<p>And, for all the gushing about Win7, it is still, as confirmed by Microsoft, a patched and re-worked Vista &#8211; which is a patched and reworked Windows 2000, which is a &#8230;well, you get the idea. Win7 is the SP Vista will never get. But you can&#8217;t &#8211; as they&#8217;ve shown time and time again &#8211; make a silk purse out of a sow&#8217;s ear. Especially if its Frankenpatch OS.</p>
<p>Win7&#8242;s GUI might look pretty, but its the same grim WinOS under all that.  XP is currently popular on netbooks because a) it&#8217;s an OS many are familiar with &#8211; including its many &#8216;challenges&#8217;, and b) its had some 8 years for Microsoft to issue enough patches to make it stable (&#8216;ish). But those are hardly good reasons to find it acceptable. Remember, XP was once roundly reviled &#8211; now its a retro improvement over Vista.</p>
<p>But that still doesn&#8217;t Linux the better alternative for most computer users.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Whiteside</title>
		<link>http://blog.laptopmag.com/why-nobody-cares-about-linux/comment-page-1#comment-17022</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Whiteside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just got a lot more complicated with the announcement of the Windows 7 editions. MS is pushing the two conventional Win7 editions (Home Premium and Professional) for netbooks at full price, but is providing the unspeakably awful, hobbled Windows 7 Starter as an alternative for really stingy system manufacturers. It appears that Starter is being positioned to take over from XP Home as their netbook OS and frankly it couldn&#039;t compete with Workbench 1.3 in the modern marketplace, let alone Ubuntu.

I think if MS is to make a go of it, it&#039;ll have to offer some sort of cut-price licencing agreement on Home Prem for netbook manufacturers, with spec restrictions like we see with XP Home ULCPC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just got a lot more complicated with the announcement of the Windows 7 editions. MS is pushing the two conventional Win7 editions (Home Premium and Professional) for netbooks at full price, but is providing the unspeakably awful, hobbled Windows 7 Starter as an alternative for really stingy system manufacturers. It appears that Starter is being positioned to take over from XP Home as their netbook OS and frankly it couldn&#8217;t compete with Workbench 1.3 in the modern marketplace, let alone Ubuntu.</p>
<p>I think if MS is to make a go of it, it&#8217;ll have to offer some sort of cut-price licencing agreement on Home Prem for netbook manufacturers, with spec restrictions like we see with XP Home ULCPC.</p>
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		<title>By: wagasalleh</title>
		<link>http://blog.laptopmag.com/why-nobody-cares-about-linux/comment-page-1#comment-16960</link>
		<dc:creator>wagasalleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For starters, you have made some good observations though they are laden with opinion.

I wouldn&#039;t rush to make some of the conclusions you have made as to choice of OS for a device as you never know what boardroom dealings go on between the hardware vendor and the OS vendor. Case in point the OLPC issue. It reminds me of a case in Nigeria where the government had decided to adopt Mandriva, but some rather interesting discussions with Microsoft led them to ditch this plan.

However, this doesn&#039;t excuse the Linux Distro vendors from the responsibility for their current state of affairs. To actively compete with an OS that has been used worldwide for years, One needs to fully focus on developing their product to flow at par with that competition. Many users today are loading Linux Distros on their laptops only to have problems with various device drivers(WIFI), file formats etc. I assisted one user set up their OpenOffice to always save doc&#039;s in Office97 format (.doc, .xls, etc). Something this simple had the user ready to fully forget about the Distro.

As and when the vendors take charge of making sure applications are available to give the user an experience that isn&#039;t any different from whatever they have, then we shall see less and less of these blogs that spell doom for an otherwise good product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For starters, you have made some good observations though they are laden with opinion.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t rush to make some of the conclusions you have made as to choice of OS for a device as you never know what boardroom dealings go on between the hardware vendor and the OS vendor. Case in point the OLPC issue. It reminds me of a case in Nigeria where the government had decided to adopt Mandriva, but some rather interesting discussions with Microsoft led them to ditch this plan.</p>
<p>However, this doesn&#8217;t excuse the Linux Distro vendors from the responsibility for their current state of affairs. To actively compete with an OS that has been used worldwide for years, One needs to fully focus on developing their product to flow at par with that competition. Many users today are loading Linux Distros on their laptops only to have problems with various device drivers(WIFI), file formats etc. I assisted one user set up their OpenOffice to always save doc&#8217;s in Office97 format (.doc, .xls, etc). Something this simple had the user ready to fully forget about the Distro.</p>
<p>As and when the vendors take charge of making sure applications are available to give the user an experience that isn&#8217;t any different from whatever they have, then we shall see less and less of these blogs that spell doom for an otherwise good product.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://blog.laptopmag.com/why-nobody-cares-about-linux/comment-page-1#comment-16942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windows 7 will remain slower than XP until CPU combos with more than 16 cores hits the users. In short: Hardcore gamers will still prefer XP. Same goes with anyone else who needs the HWresources they are paying for. What they have done is to empty the bag in the vacuumcleaner - they didn&#039;t even replace the filter bag. W7 appears quicker but heavy apps will continue to be 2component glue as it is in Vista. 

HP provides Mini MI - Gnu/Linux without terminal available. Unfortunately some OEM&#039;s have sold machines with a Linux version that sucks. 

Linux is a nightmare for Microsoft and will continue to be so in the foreseeable future. That means that every single Microsoft customer should praise whoever they praise for Linux being there. Linux is the only driving force making Microsoft improve products and lowering insane licencing costs.

Apple is no threat to Microsoft whatsoever. I&#039;m convinced that OSX would grasp more than 50% of the market if separated from the hard merchandise, but that will be a spectacular harakiri.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows 7 will remain slower than XP until CPU combos with more than 16 cores hits the users. In short: Hardcore gamers will still prefer XP. Same goes with anyone else who needs the HWresources they are paying for. What they have done is to empty the bag in the vacuumcleaner &#8211; they didn&#8217;t even replace the filter bag. W7 appears quicker but heavy apps will continue to be 2component glue as it is in Vista. </p>
<p>HP provides Mini MI &#8211; Gnu/Linux without terminal available. Unfortunately some OEM&#8217;s have sold machines with a Linux version that sucks. </p>
<p>Linux is a nightmare for Microsoft and will continue to be so in the foreseeable future. That means that every single Microsoft customer should praise whoever they praise for Linux being there. Linux is the only driving force making Microsoft improve products and lowering insane licencing costs.</p>
<p>Apple is no threat to Microsoft whatsoever. I&#8217;m convinced that OSX would grasp more than 50% of the market if separated from the hard merchandise, but that will be a spectacular harakiri.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Whiteside</title>
		<link>http://blog.laptopmag.com/why-nobody-cares-about-linux/comment-page-1#comment-16844</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Whiteside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An OS where I don&#039;t have to use the command line to make things work. That&#039;s a huge, intimidating barrier to entry for non-technical users, who are the main Netbook target market. They&#039;re used to XP, so one way or another they want an entirely GUI-driven OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An OS where I don&#8217;t have to use the command line to make things work. That&#8217;s a huge, intimidating barrier to entry for non-technical users, who are the main Netbook target market. They&#8217;re used to XP, so one way or another they want an entirely GUI-driven OS.</p>
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		<title>By: animatio</title>
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		<dc:creator>animatio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like many said : it is totally foolish to compare &quot;linux&quot; with &quot;windows&quot; because especially &quot;the linux&quot; does not exist, but a whole bunch of linux os&#039;es, called distros.
primo: a user fiendly distro, like one out of the ubuntu familiy actually IS as userfriendly as any windows. but neither the producers of netbooks nor the communitiy tells people how to do it.
secondo: every windows (xp/vista/7) has big troubles to install on 4-8 MB. none of the modern linux distros has this.
terzo: all this rubbish about a &quot;xp-alike expierence&quot;. tell me first what this is or means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like many said : it is totally foolish to compare &#8220;linux&#8221; with &#8220;windows&#8221; because especially &#8220;the linux&#8221; does not exist, but a whole bunch of linux os&#8217;es, called distros.<br />
primo: a user fiendly distro, like one out of the ubuntu familiy actually IS as userfriendly as any windows. but neither the producers of netbooks nor the communitiy tells people how to do it.<br />
secondo: every windows (xp/vista/7) has big troubles to install on 4-8 MB. none of the modern linux distros has this.<br />
terzo: all this rubbish about a &#8220;xp-alike expierence&#8221;. tell me first what this is or means.</p>
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		<title>By: jorge davila</title>
		<link>http://blog.laptopmag.com/why-nobody-cares-about-linux/comment-page-1#comment-16774</link>
		<dc:creator>jorge davila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux it is great!! you should try opensuse 11.1 and you will discover how easy and powerful is (by far more than Vista). At the begining looks like hard to use but when you discover the one click install in opensuse.org and pacman.org, life is beutiful.

By the way, I think that Linux is more stable than Vista, and there is no need to update virus def. everyday. and even compete with Apple Mac OS X in many aspects, like the facility to customize the interface in many ways or the ability to use great effects in the desktop.

it is worth the try</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux it is great!! you should try opensuse 11.1 and you will discover how easy and powerful is (by far more than Vista). At the begining looks like hard to use but when you discover the one click install in opensuse.org and pacman.org, life is beutiful.</p>
<p>By the way, I think that Linux is more stable than Vista, and there is no need to update virus def. everyday. and even compete with Apple Mac OS X in many aspects, like the facility to customize the interface in many ways or the ability to use great effects in the desktop.</p>
<p>it is worth the try</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Whiteside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Whiteside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think distro makes a huge difference. SuSE, as has been pointed out, can be a complete pain in the arse. HP still don&#039;t provide either a recovery partition or recovery disks for the OS AFAIK, and the wireless hardware didn&#039;t play very nicely with it on the Mini 2133. Ubuntu on the other hand has been making leaps and strides in usability. So many netbooks hit on a good instant-on OS but fail to provide a properly XP-alike experience for real work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think distro makes a huge difference. SuSE, as has been pointed out, can be a complete pain in the arse. HP still don&#8217;t provide either a recovery partition or recovery disks for the OS AFAIK, and the wireless hardware didn&#8217;t play very nicely with it on the Mini 2133. Ubuntu on the other hand has been making leaps and strides in usability. So many netbooks hit on a good instant-on OS but fail to provide a properly XP-alike experience for real work.</p>
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