How NOT to Get Scammed When Shopping for a Notebook
March 24th, 2009 by Avram Piltch, LAPTOP Online Editorial Director
Big box stores may be charging attractive prices for notebooks, but they’re selling wholesale deception. Lately, the news has been filled with stories of national retail chains lying to their customers. In the past two weeks, we’ve reported on Office Depot sales associates who turn away customers that don’t want to purchase extended warranties and then Photoshop higher price tags onto clearance notebooks so they can build in the cost of those same warranties. We’ve also read about a class action lawsuit that was recently filed against Best Buy for allegedly violating its own price-matching policy. And, lest you think these are isolated incidents, we’ve received numerous tips from employees and former employees of other national chains telling us they’ve witnessed or participated in similar sales ploys. Fortunately, you don’t have to be scammed into purchasing an extended warranty or a tech service like software installation. Just follow a few simple rules and you can find a great notebook at a great price. 1. Shop online first. Before you set foot in a brick-and-mortar store, compare notebook prices and models on the Web. You’re likely to find a better price and you’re guaranteed to see a wider selection of makes at models. If in the end, you do choose to buy in-person, at least you’ll know you’re getting a good deal. 2. Use in-store pickup. If you need a notebook today or you just want to save on shipping, you can use the in-store pickup feature on most retailer’s Web sites. Best Buy, Staples, and Office Depot all offer their customers the opportunity to purchase a system on the Web and have it waiting for them at a local outlet. We’ve heard from numerous sales associates that in-store pickups sold without extended warranties do not count against their stores’ sales ratings so the associates have no incentive to turn you away. It’s also nearly impossible to lie and tell a customer that the notebook they just bought and paid-for is out of stock, particularly when that customer is holding a print-out of an e-mail telling them that the notebook is ready for them. 3. Take advantage of in-store kiosks to check prices and inventory levels. Many stores, including Office Depot, have kiosks that let you check store inventory and prices. However, we’ve been told that some Office Depots try to hide these kiosks and that they don’t always show the lowest price on clearance items. 4. Ignore advice from retail associates. They represent the store’s interest, which is getting you to spend as much as possible. You have to represent your own interest in getting a great deal. When dealing with salespeople, assume that any claims they make about the quality or functionality of a given notebook may be either innocent mistakes or outright lies. At a recent visit to Staples, we were told by a well-meaning but misinformed sales associate that a Acer Aspire One is “like a big Blackberry.” An associate at Office Depot told us that a GatewayLT1004U netbook was underpowered because it has “only 512MB of RAM” when the spec sheet in front of the notebook clearly and correctly states that it comes equipped with 1GB of memory. An anonymous Office Depot employee told us that associates will often disparage the quality of a particular notebook in an attempt to sell customers extended warranties. “If a customer was purchasing an electronic item, the sales person goes in to the warranty speech,” he said. “If the customer doesn’t bite, then the employee goes into the ‘bad quality’ speech. ‘We’ve been experiencing a lot of issues with this particular HP laptop. I would not recommend buying this laptop without a warranty for your own good! (sigh & shake your head in the ‘no’ position).’” 5. Don’t buy an extended warranty at retail. Extended warranties and protection plans are nearly pure profit for retailers, because the vast majority of customers who buy them never need them. Worse still, many sales associates lie about the features that are included in their protection plans, promising extras like on-site service or accidental damage protection, even when they aren’t included. The truth about warranties is that most notebooks fail either at the very beginning of their lives, when they are covered by the manufacturer’s warranty, or after so many years of service that they are no longer covered by the typical extended warranty. Accidental damage protection and theft insurance can be useful for someone who buys an expensive notebook and expects to put it at risk by traveling with it frequently or letting small children handle it. However, if you want these additional services, we recommend you buy them either directly from the notebook’s manufacturer or, in the case of theft protection, from an insurance company. Consumers can even get riders for notebooks and other portable devices added to their home owner’s insurance. Small business owners who can’t afford to wait several days for a repair can also benefit from on-site service or expanded tech support. Again, we recommend purchasing this type of protection from the notebook’s manufacturer, who best knows how to service its own products. Even if you buy your notebook at retail, many vendors allow you to buy additional service plans from them directly. Lenovo, for example, gives customers 90 days from the date of purchase to buy extended protections from them. 6. Skip add-on tech services, such as software installation or crapware removal. In addition to extended warranties you don’t need, retail associates will try to sell you computer services you can easily do yourself. Consumerist Senior Editor Christopher Walters describes tech services as “basically a stupid tax on the computer illiterate. The only time I would recommend this is if you value your time so highly that it’s actually cheaper for you to pay money to have someone else do the grunt work. In this economy, that should apply to very few people.” Even if you consider yourself computer illiterate, it’s easy enough to remove trialware from your new computer, install software you just bought or downloaded, or scan for viruses. If you need help doing any of these things, try a reputable tech advice site online. 7. Feign interest in extras if necessary. If you can’t use in-store pickup and must rely on a sales associate to get your notebook from the stockroom, tell the associate you’re interested in purchasing the warranty and then change your mind when you get to the cash register. We’ve heard from many associates that their managers simply will not allow them into the stockroom to get a notebook unless they say the customer is buying it with an extended warranty.
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March 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Comparisons can be difficult as some model aren’t widely available or are one offs, i.e. Costco offerings.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:47 am
The safest way to purchase a good notebook at the best price-
1) Research models online and narrow down to a few specific ones
2) If you MUST see/touch before buying, go into a store quickly and casually do so
3) Return home & purchase online!
Note- Manufacturers such as HP (and Dell’s Business Division) have no-hassle return policies. Others such as Lenovo, Dell Home and Best Buy may charge a 15% re-stocking fee. Some sites, such as Newegg.com, don’t allow returns AT ALL unless the item is defective.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
A great way to not get ripped off on the extended warranty is to go with a company like SquareTrade,
they can sell you a laptop extended warranty, go here http://www.squaretrade.com/laptop
January 20th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Yeah, it’s great when half the people return their HP notebooks with issues. Do you really want to deal with HP? I have and they SUCK. There’s a reason we sell those plans. Build your own and then don’t buy warranties. Wait until a part breaks and you have to pay $400(in the case of my video card) to replace it because some company won’t honor their great lifetime warranty! You call out those PPPs, but forget that when you do need them they are great. Wish newegg and other sites offered longer warranties on their items.
Again if you want a decent computer don’t buy HP, Dell, etc. That’s your own fault and I’ll just shake my head and laugh at you. Those companies offer you technology mostly a year behind what you can build. Plus if you’re buying a laptop as your main computer you’re just stupid. Desktops outperform and cost less. Laptops are desktops crammed into small cases. Hence why the screw up a whole lot more and generally worse.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
There’s also a reason half of you people end up with screwed up computers. You listen to this crap and then wonder why your computers become screwed to hell. Then you come and bring it to us. When we tell you that it either has to be reformatted or will take a day or so to “scrub” you cry. Well maybe if you’d not listened to these people feeding you nonsense you wouldn’t have this issue.
Unless you seriously know someone else that will work on your computer for free and KNOWS what he/she is talking about don’t listen to them. The average Joe Schmo is going to tell you to do some thing and you are going to screw up that $1000 laptop or desktop. Plus considering you’ve over paid either way(at OD, any supply store or Dell or HP or etc) then you’re wasting another large sum of cash. And the reason you pay so much at OD for those services? Lets see you’re paying the associate. Then you’re buying the software. The company has to find a way to make a profit. I mean hell you already want every thing in the store for free! Oh and you forgot your $10 coupon at home! Gezz people, don’t you know if you want anything decent you have to actually pay decent money??? I paid over $4000 for my desktop with monitors, keyboard, mouse, etc. And guess what it will last near 5 years with minor upgrades. That Dell laptop you had built will last 2-3 and if you touch it you’ve ruined your warranty with Dell.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
I’m OD employee and if you are even going to buy one of our below average desktops or laptop I’d be putting a plan on it because HP and them aren’t going to give two cents about what’s wrong with it.
And at least in my OD we can’t go in the lock-up unless we are stocking it. It’s opened by managers and sales are not pushed via PPPs. Yes, we ask and get a very hard time for our low PPP sales, but we don’t push it on you. Still I’d rather buy a PPP than have to hassle with HP or any of those companies making those computers.